304: A Woman of Grace & Grit: Claire Schulz Bergman

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Courtney Townley 0:00
Welcome to the Grace and Grit Podcast made for women who want their healthiest years to be ahead of them. Not behind them. Join your host Courtney Townley right now. As she breaks down the fairy tale health story, you have been chasing all of your life, into sensible action steps and lasting change.

Courtney Townley 0:28
Hello, my friends, and welcome to the Grace & Grit Podcast. I’m your host, Courtney Townley, thank you so much for taking time to join me today. Now a lot of you longtime listeners probably know that there are a couple of ways to work with me beyond the Podcast, right? So the Podcast, you get to know kind of my theories and philosophies and some of the skill sets that I teach people. But of course, the work that I do that makes me money to even produce this Podcast goes a lot deeper than that. So I work one to one with clients, I have a lot of private clients.

Courtney Townley 1:00
I also have a community called Rumble & Rise, where it’s more of a community experience. So there’s group coaching, there’s a lot of masterclasses, there’s a tremendous amount of support. And I’m telling you this because what you may not know is that my private clients automatically get access to Rumble & Rise, I think it’s really important that people who work with me privately, are also embedded in the Rumble & Rise community because there’s so much goodness inside of that space.

Courtney Townley 1:30
And today, I have invited one of my clients, Claire Bergman to the show, to share with you a little bit about her experience of what she has gained by working with me privately, and how the Rumble & Rise community has enhanced her experience. So if you like what you hear on the show today, and you would like to do a deeper dive into your own healing journey by either becoming a private client or joining us inside of Rumble & Rise, you can always head over to my website, graceandgrit.com. And just check out the programs page, you will find where the Rumble & Rise membership details are and you will also find more about my custom coaching packages. So you can find all that once again at graceandgrit.com/programs. But I don’t want to spend a lot of time doing a lengthy intro today. Because I really want to get to the goodness of this interview. So without further ado, let’s get into it.

Courtney Townley 2:30
Hi, Claire.

Claire Bergman 2:32
Hi.

Courtney Townley 2:33
I’m so happy you’re here.

Claire Bergman 2:34
I am too this is exciting.

Courtney Townley 2:36
Is this your first Podcast interview?

Claire Bergman 2:38
Absolutely.

Courtney Townley 2:39
It is, awesome. And how you feel about that?

Claire Bergman 2:43
Honestly, excited but also nervous.

Courtney Townley 2:46
Like why nervous? What are you nervous now?

Claire Bergman 2:48
I’m just being out there too. Who knows who is going to listen to this?

Courtney Townley 2:53
And just Well, let me just rest, like, reassure you that the people listening I have no doubt will benefit from this more than anything.

Claire Bergman 3:03
I always have with people’s interviews too. So good.

Courtney Townley 3:06
Yeah. Good. So, of course, I want to start where I usually start all my interviews, which is just letting you and your own words, tell us who you are, and what’s going on in your world right now.

Claire Bergman 3:18
Yeah, so. So my name is Claire, and I live in Madison, Wisconsin. And I am a mom of two adult children and wife of many years. And I have an I have a dog. And I have had 20 years in the mental health industry and 20 plus years in the fitness industry. And more than that, though, I was thinking about talking about who I am and trying to have a little less attachment to my identities that I’ve had forever. And so even more than that, I love nature. I love to go on walks, I love to read, I love to connect with people. And so that’s me.

Courtney Townley 4:08
Love it. So good. And your your I mean, you speak a little bit of like 20 years in the fitness industry, and that includes a lot of different things. In terms of different classes you’ve taught I know currently you’re teaching yoga. Yes,

Claire Bergman 4:22
yes, yes. Yeah.

Courtney Townley 4:25
Lots of dimensions to your life.

Claire Bergman 4:27
Yeah, yeah. I I like to say that. Well, I don’t know if I like to say this, but the truth is that I’ve had at least two jobs my entire adult life. One being the job that I’ve been able to sustain a living and the other being my fitness group exercise classes that I love to teach. And I’ve taught everything from step aerobics to kickboxing to now I’m teaching spinning classes and yoga classes and So yeah, everything in that realm.

Courtney Townley 5:02
Awesome. How’d you find out about not Rumble? & Rise, but Grace & Grit in general, like you came in through the Podcast?

Claire Bergman 5:08
Yes, I was searching podcasts, searching podcasts for an episode that somebody might send me about body image issues. And you came on. And I connected really, really well with your message, and your just your presentation. And it was all very interesting. And I was hooked instantly.

Courtney Townley 5:35
So tell me specifically tell me more about the body image issue you were trying to resolve? Because I think I know a little bit more about this, because I’ve been coaching with you for a while. But I would love for you to kind of share with listeners like what was that rumble? What was that challenge?

Claire Bergman 5:48
Yeah, so, um, I think that I have had issues with just body the way just messages from the from society about how somebody should look, and be that I 100% bought into, that had has been around since I was 10. So I’m 52. So for the last 40 years, I have been sort of sometimes struggling more than others with with that idea of fitting into a body image that is acceptable by society, which is actually, you know, I, somebody would look at me and say, Well, you do but internally, there was messages and just thoughts that I think I rumbled with, that were, were kind of my go to when I was feeling out of control with other things. So when other things were really, really stressful, I would fixate on just body image and therefore do more exercise. Not necessarily eating differently, but really kind of buffering with exercise, and just that sort of a way to control that issue that would come up.

Courtney Townley 7:14
Yeah. So interesting, right? Because you were using something that you actually enjoyed. Yeah, you also took it so far, because of the energy that was driving it. Which was it all coming from a healthy, wonderful space. Right? Yeah. So what was the what’s the cost of that? Like? What’s the cost for you of not being at peace with your body?

Claire Bergman 7:36
There’s so many things. I would say I mean, so I am at a point where it’s just it’s not living in peace. So not living in acceptance and living in peace with what is and and more of a and it’s not I’m I don’t mean to say that this is an everyday thing. It’s just been a issue that has followed me for my pattern. Since path. Yeah, definitely. So it hit it, the exercising, which I love, and I get a lot of really good benefit and a lot of good ways to cope with stress. Became have to and became a feeling of guilt if I didn’t do what was on my plan. And that’s not peace. And so I wanted to really live in peace with myself and my body and my life. In a way that was really intentional. And it’s interesting, because I’m a I’m a fitness instructor and, and a yoga instructor. So I preach about I talk about this, and I preach about this. I talk about this with people. And it’s so much easier for me to talk about how people, you know, the benefits of taking care of yourself. Yeah. And it’s hard to do it. It was hard to do it myself. And I needed somebody like you and this community to really put me in a place where I can walk what I when I talk. Yeah,

Courtney Townley 9:18
And you came in, correct me if I’m wrong, but you we started with private coaching, right? You just came in as a private client. And then of course, as a private client, you get membership to Rumble & Rise. Yeah, yeah. And the main issue you wanted to solve in working with me? Was it body image?

Claire Bergman 9:35
No, I don’t believe so. Although I went back I had just said this earlier to you alone, but I went back and listened to my very first coaching call and then my most recent coaching call. Yeah. And the interesting thing is, I feel mostly healed from body image issues. Yeah. But when I came to you, I was overwhelmed with a whole bunch of things my kids had, I’m As an empty nester, I had just Well, a few years earlier turned 50. I just finished doing the Ironman Wisconsin competition. And I was like, Okay, what’s next? I need to plan for what’s next. And that’s when and so that uncomfortable feeling is when I go to that body image issue. So I did come to you at first with, how do I get rid of this? Thought problem? Yeah, but it was so much bigger than that. And that was actually just a little it’s, I learned through this work, that I go there when I am uncomfortable. Because it or overwhelmed or stressed because it’s a familiar pattern, it doesn’t feel good to think about my body in a certain way or, you know, need feel like I need to go get an exercise of some sort in. Because if I don’t, XYZ will happen. But it is. It’s familiar.

Courtney Townley 11:07
It’s something you’ve done for you practiced it so many times for so many years that you don’t have to put a lot of thought or effort into going there. It’s your default mode. Right? Yeah. But you started to become aware of that default mode, and then it wasn’t really helping you. It wasn’t benefiting you. And then to take it a step further, you were using something that from the outside looks really great. Yeah, like look at you signing up for another Iron Man, look at you like going out and running however far you’re gonna run. And can we talk about that piece a little bit? Because you started to have some physical challenges, where your body was very loud and clear. That Hey, Claire, we need to back off.

Claire Bergman 11:58
Yeah, yeah,

Courtney Townley 11:59
You were you were fighting that like a very strong three year old toddler. Is that exaggeration,

Claire Bergman 12:07
My three year old was right there.

Courtney Townley 12:09
She was right there.

Claire Bergman 12:11
So I do have to say, I still, like I love exercising, I love sweating, I love feeling my heart pound, I like, get a lot out of that. And I I like having people tell me how to train for an event, I could not have finished Ironman if I didn’t have my Ironman coach. And I don’t feel like I’m ever like I’m not at a place where I’m going to stop training for something and stop needing a plan for that. But I have learned and working with you has really helped me kind of think about how if I do choose to train for something again, how does that work into my current life and my stress load and my job and whatever else is here to that’s pulling on me?

Claire Bergman 13:07
Because what happened by just barreling forward with you know, you have to get a swim in today in a bike and today and you know, all these different things on my plan is that I would feel guilty if I didn’t get it done. And then that caused stress. And then eventually, I, my body started breaking down. And so I’m, I have some kind of concerning health issues that I’m facing that I don’t really have all the answers to yet. But they are affecting my ability to do the things that I love, which has, which is just the biggest sign that I need to rest, which is ironically, what I tell the people in my yoga class rest. No, you get to lay here, you can be here in child’s pose all class if you want to. Yeah, I’m out like, okay, now I have to go run after this. Yeah.

Claire Bergman 14:10
So the other day, we had a coaching session together and you asked me, what is it that you need? And I instantly told you rest, I insert like, I know that. And then I told you following up with that I told you all the reasons why I couldn’t rest and all of the things that my head was telling me about why, you know, taking time off and doing things a little less was was just not going to feel right. And you you kind of called me out on it. Weird nicely. You said isn’t it interesting that you know loud and clear what your body needs and yet you have an agenda for your life and you’re gonna do your agenda and sort of trust your body. And that’s what I’ve been doing.

Claire Bergman 14:56
That’s what I’ve been doing for this for years. probably not that long, but for my adult life of, you know, having my own agenda and then not listening to the, to the messages that are coming through, I know that I had, I like to think about it as like whispers and then finally louder and louder and louder. And then a final like shouting in my ear of what’s going on. And I know I had little messages of okay, Claire, you need to rest here, you need to take this day off. And I pushed through, I think it’s really, especially for people who are training for something or people who see themselves in a way that is an athlete or somebody who is just used to being very fit, that we push through when things even when we know we need rest. And we’re getting those signs of plantar fasciitis or fatigue, or you know, all the things.

Claire Bergman 15:58
That was going on, and I was pushing through and then I was thrown a boulder into my lap of there’s actually something that’s bigger, and you need to pay attention now. Yeah. And so I part of my message now and part of the thing that I really, really believe in and that this you and this community has helped is trusting my body and listening, listening to those little messages that are coming through before it gets too big.

Courtney Townley 16:28
Yeah. And it’s interesting, isn’t it, because I think, especially for athletes, or people where movement endeavors have been a very big part of their life, we can make up so many interesting stories about what it means to rest or to back off or to not train as hard for a period of time. Like we can make it mean that we’re a failure, or that we’re not going to succeed on the level that we used to like we can make it mean some really horrible things. But we can also make it mean that I can’t continue to be an athlete, unless I rest, right. But this is a part of it. And unfortunately, for so many women, it is a part that they often overlook, right.

Courtney Townley 17:12
Everyone has a different challenge, like some women have a challenge with the resting part. And other women have a challenge with the actual pushing and the grip part. Right. And both, I think can create equal dis ease in the human body because they both create levels of stress. Yeah. And so I think it would be helpful for listeners to know like, how have you started to think differently about restoration, in order to not push so hard all the time. And and I hear what you’re saying. It’s not that you’re not training. It’s not that you’re not still pursuing these things that you love. But you’re coming at it with a lot more intention. Yes, in terms of what’s driving it. I want to do this and stay well, I don’t want to do this at any cost.

Claire Bergman 18:03
Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I want to, I want, I think there’s there’s the want to exercise to move my body in a way that feels really good. And fun. Yeah. And if I’m tired listening to that, and taking a day where I walk, or I, the other day, I went hiking, and I loved it. I haven’t been because usually on the weekends I would be running or biking and I thought it’s fall, the trees are gorgeous. Let’s go on a hike. And it was slower than my usual way of being on the weekend. But I was also like, this is this is beautiful, the leaves are falling was all beautiful. So I feel like there’s so much to get out of the movement that I’m doing now that I’m looking at it in a different way. I’m looking at it as being healthy, healthy for me. But also, I’m really curious about it when I get out there.

Courtney Townley 19:12
It’s interesting because I think of your Colorado bike trip that you took recently. Right and that was just to me it was such a grace filled example of the work that you’ve been doing. Do you want to tell listeners a little bit about that?

Claire Bergman 19:24
Yeah, I I signed up so after Ironman and trying to figure out what do I do next I signed up to do the Triple Crown bike ride in Colorado. It’s 110 mile bike ride from I think it’s from Golden or close to Golden to Vail over three mountain passes. And my body and my health and my I have a health issue that’s kind of eating away at my muscles so my strength and my arms. My legs are fine my strength and my arms is diminishing and my right side There’s a lot less strong than my left. So I hadn’t been training as much as I had wanted to. And I went out there a little underprepared.

Claire Bergman 20:08
And then the weather was crap. It was, it was freezing, and it was raining. And we got to the top of the mountain, the first peak, and it was I was freezing. And in the past, I would have pushed through, and I would have been miserable. And this time, I got to the top. And I’ve said, I’m not, I don’t want to do this, this isn’t fun anymore. And we turned around and went back and went had lunch and, you know, went on to the next thing. And then the rest of the weekend was spent with smaller bike rides that were up to, you know, we had planned my husband and I had planned and it was not an event, but we still did some climbing and we still did some miles. And it was there was no time. It was our design.

Claire Bergman 21:00
It was something that was I was doing for my fitness, but also for my mental health. Yeah, and letting go of that whole idea of how I needed to finish this whole big biking event. In the past, I would have been really disappointed and really down about not finishing. And after this work, this is really a lot of it. I just was able to go okay, well that is what it is. And maybe someday in the future. I’ll try it again. Maybe not.

Courtney Townley 21:34
So well. I think that’s what stuck out to me as you came home. And when you talked about it, and you told me about it, there was just this this level of acceptance. And there was no like judgment and shame and all the coulda, shoulda, woulda, right. It was just this is what happened. This is what I decided. And it all worked out.

Claire Bergman 21:54
And the funny thing about that is, I sure had those thoughts. Sure. Should I go to Canada? I went there for sure. And then I was like, wow, I don’t need to follow that. And and didn’t take that to where it would have gone in previous years when you know those thoughts came up?

Courtney Townley 22:14
This this is so important like to pause here and really like highlight what you’re saying. Because so often when we’re when we’re doing thought work, and we’re trying to change the way we were operating in the world, we expect to kind of have this epiphany or a shift in our behavior, and then it’s just forever set that way. Like we’re never going to have to regress or go back to those old behaviors. And of course, most of us who practiced changing behaviors, no, that’s not how it works.

Courtney Townley 22:43
So the thinking that you know, isn’t serving you is still there, those neural pathways are deeply grooved into your brain. You’ve practiced them for so many years. And yet, the really cool thing here is now you have this heightened level of awareness that when those thoughts come, you see them, right, and you know, that you don’t have to buy in, you don’t have to cosign, right. And you can decide, Okay, do I want to go down that road and kind of buy into this? Or do I want to pivot to something else? And obviously, you pivoted to something else. Otherwise, you never could have come home and shared that with me in the way that you did?

Claire Bergman 23:25
Yeah, yeah, for sure that it’s an it’s a practice, it’s a daily practice of choosing which thought route to follow. Yeah.

Courtney Townley 23:36
There’s so many available to you. And yet, we kind of, for a big chunk of our life, we move to the world thinking that we don’t even have a choice, that I think these thoughts and therefore that is just what’s in my brain, and that’s what’s going to govern my life. But when we really start learning that, wow, I have so much agency over that. Everything starts to shift. So what do you think is the most impactful thing that you have learned in our time together? Like we’re obviously still working together, but we’ve worked together for the better part of 2022?

Claire Bergman 24:07
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely thought work. The thought modeling. Yeah, thought models that we do is that’s, I mean, I knew some of that, but I feel like this has really given me a tangible way to approach my thinking.

Courtney Townley 24:30
And poke holes in the stories right? Yeah,

Claire Bergman 24:32
yeah, yeah. Yeah, I hear you in my ear sometimes saying what and what are you making that mean? Well, what am I making that? Yeah. So that has been a huge piece that I’ve gotten from our work. I feel like working with you in this private coaching way, is like a mixture of counseling and with an action plan, like I can Say, you know, word vomit about whatever it is that I’m thinking, and then you are able to kind of practically say, this is what I’m hearing. And then there’s an action plan that I can actually take with and do something to kind of practice.

Courtney Townley 25:18
Be clear that you’re the one who comes up with the action plan, I just kind of guide you into making it.

Claire Bergman 25:23
Yeah, that practice piece is I mean, I can know something logically. Yeah. But without the practice piece, I think it’s hard to start to live the way that this work is guiding me to be.

Courtney Townley 25:45
You know, from my perspective, is something that I see. And I’d love for you to, you know, throw out your two cents on if this resonates at all. But there’s so much more of a kind of a holistic approach to your well being, where it’s not solely physically focused. And no one here is going to argue that physical health doesn’t matter. Of course it does. But for someone who has so much education and experience in that arena, that wasn’t really your rumble. Right, the rumble Wiz is how do I maintain physical health without sacrificing my mental and emotional health?

Claire Bergman 26:27
Right. And I think that totally resonates. And I, I like the approach of the multifaceted health idea of health. Yeah. And I, I mean, again, I, I have a background in mental health. So that is, really, I have a lot of practice working with clients and just thinking about things. The physical health part has been clear, we’ve talked about that. I also have a background in meditation that and I worked with a teacher for a while. So I had all these pieces.

Claire Bergman 27:03
And I think working in this realm with you, but also with the community has just brought it all together and not kept it in their individual pieces, it just has brought it into this. If I want to be an intentional, whole, healthy person, I have to focus on all these different things. And not necessarily all at the same time. Definitely be looking at me more than another at some points. But it is important to know that spiritual health is going to be something that I need to focus on at some point, or, you know, what about looking at my career, what about looking at the environment, my relationships, all of that stuff is so important to this work has really helped me come to that really full understanding about how important it is.

Courtney Townley 27:59
Yeah. So you mentioned the community, which you’re speaking specifically to Rumble & Rise, which is the membership community. So tell listeners a little bit about how you think the experience of being a member of that community has enhanced this work and this practice, because it is really hard to explain that space. I try all the time. But I feel like when I interview people, they seem to do a better job than I do.

Claire Bergman 28:25
I’m always about trying to find community somewhere because I just I get a I really feel a sense of connection.

Courtney Townley 28:32
Well, you said in your intro, that connection was something that’s really important to you.

Claire Bergman 28:36
It’s really important to me, and we were all virtual, but it feels like we’re all sitting in the same room talking about the issues that are affecting women. Yeah. And when I was thinking about the group earlier today, it’s so there’s always something that I get out of being on the coaching calls. Yeah. And I always have been able to relate to somebody on something and oftentimes, like really relate to them. Like I’m like,

Claire Bergman 29:05
Oh, my God, you are talking about me right now in the story. Yeah. And so I think it’s just, it’s a really safe place to be vulnerable, and to look at the issues that face us when we’re in midlife and in, you know, facing all the different things that come at this time of life. Yeah. And then getting inspired by other people’s journeys and seeing, wow, that was how she handled that. Well, that makes me feel like I can do it that way. Or, Yeah, this isn’t such a crazy idea of mine. Yeah. And then the Facebook community is nice, too, just because, you know, it’s nice to connect with people in that way too.

Courtney Townley 29:47
It’s an easy touchpoint for sure.

Claire Bergman 29:50
I love the challenges because obviously I like for people to tell me what to do sometimes with a plan. Yeah, that’s the thing. And if not that You’re saying what to do. But you’re, you know, those challenges are cool because they’re like, check in points for Yeah, a period of time and accountability too.

Courtney Townley 30:09
So just to clarify for listeners, I teach a masterclass at the start of every month, and then to help hold people accountable not just to listen to the masterclass, but to actually start applying the practices that we talked about in the class, I hold challenges inside the Facebook group, where I ask certain questions and challenge you to do certain things each day to really drive home those practices. And it is fun to do that work alongside of people. And to see how other people are interpreting the work and how they’re putting it into practice in their own life.

Courtney Townley 30:46
I think it makes a big difference, because you said this really well. A big benefit to the community is that we’re normalizing whole health for the midlife woman, not just one dimension of health, but whole health, right, addressing the whole human, we’re normalizing rumbles, and we’re really celebrating all the rises along the way. And there are so many rises, you know, for everybody. And that’s one of the questions I always start calls with is I always ask anyone I’m coaching, to first tell me where they’re winning, which really feels awkward at the beginning, because I find that most women just aren’t used to being they aren’t used to answering that question. They’re used to looking at the all the problems, all the brokenness. So we definitely make a habit of celebrating the wins.

Claire Bergman 31:32
Yeah, I, I feel like the there’s a really, and maybe this is not necessarily only midlife, but there’s such a, there’s changes in our bodies when we hit midlife and post menopause, or even perimenopause. And people start to feel uncomfortable in their bodies. And so there’s a focus on body, body shape body, how you feel losing weight, potentially. And I was telling one of somebody in my one of my classes about you, and this community, and health coaching, and she had said, well, most of my friends are really physically fit. So I don’t think they need a health coach.

Claire Bergman 32:16
It was like, wow, I’ve really felt really physically fit the majority of my adult life. And I have, this is one of the best things that I’ve ever done. And it’s because it doesn’t just focus on your body. And granted, this person is somebody who comes to my classes, and we’re at a gym. And so you know, that’s kind of the focus of, of the environment we were in. But this is more about an entire life, not just the physical part of it. And and so everybody, I think could use a health coach or this community.

Courtney Townley 32:53
And it kind of goes to show I think how a lot of people still think about health, right? And it’s like physical fitness or its physical, you know, fit. It’s physically focused. And it’s like, but we’re, we’re holistic beings, right? Everything about you. Everything about the environment you live in, is affecting your physical being. So I don’t care how many bicep curls you did at the gym today.

Courtney Townley 33:16
Like, you you number one, the reason you even showed up at the gym could have been a horrible reason. Maybe because you didn’t like yourself, or you think you won’t be lovable unless you go. You know, and just we don’t know, your emotional state all the things. So yes, I think you spoke to that really well. And I also think your journey is such a great example of it, because you really realized that by pushing all the time, according to your agenda, right?

Courtney Townley 33:45
Was given everything else that was going on in your life, especially facing a health challenge. It was just it was adding more stress to your life. Right. So it isn’t to say that you can’t move and you can’t exercise and those things aren’t still important. But other things need to be addressed to help you heal in the ways that you need to heal in order to keep doing the things that you love. And that isn’t always about diet and exercise. And I think most women in that community in our community really understand that, that know things are important, but they aren’t everything. Right. So what are you excited about right now? Because I know you got some things on deck. Yeah.

Claire Bergman 34:22
So teaching in the my spinning classes on my yoga classes has really felt like it is home to me. I love I love that space. And I love teaching. And so I am excited to be doing a yoga retreat in Bayfield, Wisconsin, so that’s up on the shore of Lake Superior circle and it’s on December 8 through the 11th and it is it’s going to be amazing. It’s beautiful up there. Farms. The food is amazing, locally sourced farm to table meals Yeah. Some nothing like what I make at home. Nice, nice, good food, to daily yoga practices for all levels, journaling, breathwork, meditation, a lot of this work, a lot of thought work. And so it’s called the magic of going inside and the little subtitle is released reclaim, renew.

Claire Bergman 35:22
So we are the first day is really a release of whatever is not serving us anymore. And really kind of making that almost even, like a little, like a little ritual around letting something go. And then the next day is really focusing on reclaiming what it is that makes us who we are. And even reclaiming winter because, you know, being in northern part of the country in winter is it’s cold, and a lot of people want to go south. And this is kind of about being really accepting of where we are in reclaiming our lives from, you know, the busyness that has been happening around us and the last two years and all of the stuff that’s been brought in since COVID came and then renewing, so that we leave with an intention of you know, stepping into the new year, a little more rested, stepping into the holiday season, the end of the holiday season a little bit more rested, and really present. And my co my co leader is Joanna doochie. And she is wise and amazing and has a lot to bring to the table as well. So I’m really excited about it.

Courtney Townley 36:34
There’s still there’s still room in this retreat?

Claire Bergman 36:36
There is still room, yep.

Claire Bergman 36:39
I can give you the Joanne’s website where you can find more information. It’s joanneadducci.com, okay. Or people can email me.

Courtney Townley 36:52
I’ll put your email, and I will put the website on the show notes page. So when people go to the page on our website, graceandgrit.com/podcast-304, where this is housed, all that contact information will be there. And all they have to do is click to get there.

Courtney Townley 37:22
Because I know a lot of people listening to it, they’re driving, they’re tasting their kids around, they’re like walking into their class, like whatever it is. And so they’re hearing this, but they’re probably not registering the emails and the domains. So we will absolutely put all those links there. And we’ll put it out in our newsletter as well. So yeah, so if anyone is in that area, or even wants to travel to that area, because it’s something you desperately need right now, this would be an amazing thing.

Courtney Townley 37:49
And you know, Claire just working with you like, it’s so evident to me, like the work that you’ve done in the wellness space as certainly not just the fitness space, but as a mental health worker, your yoga teaching, like all of that, like your level of awareness and what you have to offer I just have absolutely no doubt is just beyond so. Yeah, so I think anyone’s anyone would benefit from going I would love to go.

Claire Bergman 38:17
So excited about it. So yeah.

Courtney Townley 38:21
Excellent. Well, um, what would you say to someone who’s listening to this today who maybe has been listening to the Podcast for a while, and they’ve been thinking about doing private coaching with me, or they’ve been thinking about joining Rumble & Rise? Like, what would you say to them?

Claire Bergman 38:37
I mean, I think that it’s worth every cent that I have put into this. It’s every minute, not just monetarily, but every bit of effort that I’ve put into the work having connected with you and the community. So yes, I think you should join. So if you’re on the fence and you’re going Should I take the no path or the yes path, take the yes path.

Claire Bergman 39:01
There’s no way that you’re going to feel regretful you that you’re going to feel regret for doing it because it’s the best. And yeah, just it’s so good. I feel like if somebody is looking for Rumble & Rise. Great. That brings a lot. Yeah, but we can go even deeper when they join private coaching with you.

Courtney Townley 39:23
Yeah, well, private coaching. I always say it’s like it accelerates everything, right? Because we’re only focused on you for the time that we work together. So yeah, well, you’ve been such a pleasure to work with and I just I really have enjoyed so much traveling alongside you during your during your journey. It’s been mutual. Thank you. Yeah. Any closing words? Anything else you want people to know?

Claire Bergman 39:46
Um, I don’t think so. No, this is just it’s been really I’m just really well I say no, and then it’s it’s just been it’s, I feel like there’s when you get involved in the community Do you start to see the same people coming to the coaching calls and hear their voices if you don’t come to the coaching call, but listen to it, you hear their voices. You go, oh, that’s her. Yeah, it just feels like you’re connected to people that are all over the country and even out of the country. Yeah. So it’s an amazing community that you’ve built. I’m really grateful for you.

Courtney Townley 40:22
And I’m so grateful for it. I mean, it couldn’t have it without community members, right. And it’s, as much as I contribute to the community, obviously, I feel like it also has an energy of its own, right. It’s like it’s kind of what’s cultivated by the people who’ve decided to be in that space. And sort of the principles that we hold ourselves to and the work that we’re there to do. I mean, that that isn’t something that I could alone create. So it’s really just such an awesome thing for me to be a part of, because I do see that it’s kind of become its own its own thing, which is really cool.

Claire Bergman 40:59
Its own really, really beautiful thing.

Courtney Townley 41:01
It’s a really beautiful thing. Yes. Well, you you you got through your first Podcast beautifully.

Claire Bergman 41:07
I did.

Claire Bergman 41:10
Did my first live the other day and now this?

Courtney Townley 41:11
Oh, it’s been a huge week of growth. I love it, Claire. Excellent. Well, thank you for being here. And I’m sure listeners will get a lot out of this.

Claire Bergman 41:19
Yeah, yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Courtney.

Courtney Townley 41:28
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